• Owl@lemm.ee
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    11 months ago

    except that luigi didnt kill anyone and he’s very obviously being framed

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      11 months ago

      I see this sentiment expressed, but is there any evidence to support it? If he were really being framed, I’d expect his family, friends, lawyers, etc to be trying to spread that message as much as possible and publicly show that he couldn’t have done it. Like publicly present his alibi or something?

      I have no problem with killing the CEO. Even if there were 100% irrefutable evidence Luigi did it, I’d still think Luigi was a good guy.

      Why do people think he’s being framed?

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        There’s been a blatant push by media to forward the idea that Luigi did it. All they have to do is … not report evidence to the contrary. What there IS, however, is a lack of evidence that he did it, if you take into consideration the fact that NYPD - who have a history of faking evidence - probably used a gun and fake manifesto to pin the crime on him. Innocent until proven guilty has gone out the window; even news outlets aren’t bothering to hedge their language with ‘alleged’ any more.

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          So, just speculation? I mean, the way the media is reporting on Luigi isn’t really surprising or different than the way they report on everything.

          Is there anything beyond just speculation? Any statements from friends or family? Any attempt to present an alibi where he was at the time of the killing? Any statement from his lawyers denying he did it?

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            11 months ago

            Did you miss the innocent until proven guilty and the statement that there is little to no evidence he did it. The onus is on the state to prove guilt. Not on Luigi to prove innocence. So, if you think he did it, where is the proof? Like the state isn’t coming forward with much untainted evidence and like…they really aren’t like…refuting like…the broken evidence chain and you know…they’re leaning really heavy on the media to swing popular opinion and stuff…

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              I’m not a judge and this isn’t a court of law. People assume guilt or innocence for themselves all the time. Obviously if I were a judge or on a jury I’d want a lot more evidence. Hell, if I were on a jury, I’d be pushing for jury nullification. I don’t see anything wrong with that CEO getting got.

              Tainted evidence, media portrayal, dirty cops, this is all standard for the criminal justice system. That’s how loads of cases work, and we don’t all jump to immediately assume the state is framing every single person they accuse of anything.

              My question is, if Luigi really is just some person completely unrelated to the crime who is being framed for it, why is there no pushback from him, his lawyers, or people who know him? If there were reason to believe he was being framed, with as much public support as he has, I’d assume we’d have an alibi showing where he was at the time of the shooting, or people talking about how they don’t believe he could have done it.

              Everyone personally or directly connected to Luigi himself are acting exactly as I would expect them to act if he had actually done it.

              I ultimately don’t really care whether or not Luigi personally was the guy who did it or not. Regardless, it wouldn’t change my opinion of Luigi or the murder. I’m just trying to find out if there’s something I haven’t heard about. Some reason or alibi or explanation to believe he’s being framed beyond “we like what he is accused of doing and he seems like a pretty good guy.”

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    11 months ago

    Would this mean that even if insurance companies were not corrupt, killing their CEOs would still save lives on net? Exercise for the reader.

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    11 months ago

    So if you have a brain tumour they won’t pay for it? Forgive my outsider ignorance, but isn’t the entire point of medical insurance to cover situations like that?

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      11 months ago

      Seems to me like the entire point of insurance companies is to collect your money monthly in case some future event happens, then try their hardest to not actually hold up their end of the bargain if you actually need it, then raise the prices afterwards if you do get a successful claim. So you pay for them to act like they’re doing you a huge fkn favour at their personal expense and not like it’s their fkn job that you’ve been giving them money monthly for.

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          11 months ago

          All insurance is gambling. They are betting that you’ll pay thousands in home insurance or car insurance, and never make a claim, like most people. It’s a good bet for the insurance companies.

          But Health Insurance is different. Unlike your house burning down or your car getting wrecked, which seldom if ever happens, EVERYBODY gets sick, and eventually dies. It’s ALWAYS a losing bet for the healthcare insurance companies. They have no choice but to rig the game so they can win.

          That’s why we need to forget about Health Care INSURANCE, and think in terms of Health Care MANAGEMENT. That needs to be in the hands of an entity that isn’t motivated by profit, and that’s the government. EVERY other country in the world understands this, but America is a Ferengi nation, and we literally worship profits. And mean LITERALLY - Prosperity Doctrine is the most powerful religious philosophy in America at the moment.

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    11 months ago

    This is a fun story, but Luigi didn’t kill anyone. It was the Adjuster

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    11 months ago

    well that’s great for this one person but this is just an anecdote, and not reliable data. we need more data points to create a large enough sample size so we can refer to more reliable statistics. i wonder how we could get that.