Because, despite the vague boundings, right now being associated with the right is basically “pro fascism.” While you could argue about traditional republican behaviours, it’s obvious that the “bad” on the left are just rightwing plants.

“left-wing bias” in its most raw form is basic care for people in policy.

As a Canadian, I definitely care about who actually supports the crazy fascists that are threatening to annex my country, and are actively feeding successionist propaganda to the least intellectually robust people in my country.

People don’t care about left wing bias because the left is generally defined by pro social, anti corporate/fascist behaviours. While USA made it legal to bribe democrats into kneecapping leftist intention within their party, and democrats are barely even “left” in policy to begin with.

So people aren’t too worried about the smothered, unfunded, and neglected pro-populous and anti-fascist policy having its bias discretely plant itself anywhere.

There are definitely issues of leftist subgroup communication failures leading to vulnerability to “divide and conquer” tactics, but having a secret bias of “we should give people basic rights and safety” is only a worry for fascist oligarchs and their propagandized cults.

i find it distressing how little i see people bring up the half million dead kids from his chainsaw.

my least favourite type of typo, appreciate the note!

You’re getting downvoted, but I wish people could understand how multiple things can be simultaneously true.

It’s not “both sides.” It’s “one side is nazis, and the other side is robber barons wearing the skin of leftist ideals, preventing legislation for the people, and trying to profit off of the nazi stuff.”

Like, with the fascist takover going on you have chuck going "I hear the will of the people, who want us to focus on funding Israel. Don’t worry, I hear you, the sick, hungry, and educators can absolutely tough it out for Israel. "

Democrats have shown direct complicity with the republican actions, largely through people incentivized to actively kneecap any effort to help regular people instead of the wealthy. Look at and review on legislation vs public preference vs corporate preferences.

But no, the only way to cooperate in changing the system is investing more deeply into the inevitable pendulum of the two party system pushing the overton window towards oppression with each swing. One slower but more discreet. The other is Nazis being nachos Nazis.

Neither is the solution to the problem, but systemic and socialized changes in how we act and react to the systems we are in, as bottom up networks.

People have to interact with the political reality and put energy into it, but we’ve already socialized that shame and laziness is a failure to participate in the socio-economic hierarchy, rather than a lack of spending energy on basic ethics and epistemic hygiene.

We need new tools and behaviours to interact with new problems. This takes energy, which makes it socially unpopular. But we all die if we don’t find basic cooperation to fix a feedback loop that lost the plot.

People shat on “don’t look up” for being too “on the nose and snobbish.” yet here we are, with people living in socialized framing bubbles that are just as aggressively ignorant.

But bringing that up is cringe.

Yes vote against the nazis, but don’t let people believe that means we are not still in existential danger.

Reminder that the ATLAS network, which is pushing this stuff, is the parent group of the heritage foundation, which is responsible for project 2025, and much of the fascist push both north and south of the border.

This is just a tired grumpy rant.

It’s about surprisal mechanics and basic survival. Many people were definitely more concerned than the social preference, but they were successfully filtered out because being the nail that sticks out gets you hammered down. Ask any autistic person what a mountain of evidence is worth verses keeping within the agreed social norms. Also how applied behavioural analysis is just Pavlovian conditioning for “acting normal,” to various specifications. Made by the gay conversion people.

There is a complex nuance between being vocal about changing the system verses having the collective weight to affect the system. If you have no weight, your screams of pain and frustration are interpreted as disobedience.

Basically, in a system built on stupid archaic brainwashing, pointing at reality makes you a big target for people who gain extreme power from the archaic system, so any attempt to collectivize progress is slandered in media consumed by people who think with their social brain more than by comprehending the world.

Pointing this out is also social anathema, because people hate to accept that they had blindspots that led to less than perfect beliefs.

Science and Bayesian updating are largely just your ability to hold new perspectives, and solve the inconsistencies while updating to things you’re actively perceiving. Too much or too little bias in the wrong place can fuck everything up, yet it’s still socially unacceptable to say that people have a social obligation to learn to not ignore dissonance between different beliefs, and how to properly weight reliable and robustly supported beliefs.

Might even include social pressure to learn concepts and vocabulary around the topic. How do you question newspeak if you were born into it?

Adults also have an incentive and obligation to keep learning. Serving your own social script exclusively does not build a functional social organ or body. No wonder a couple power hungry parasites can overpower the masses.

So in such a fucked up system, how do you keep the will to live, serve progress, and justice, and avoid being socially exiled or murdered while incidentally calling everyone out as the self focused ignorant masses that they are? Willful ignorance aside, the real ones responsible are the jerks in charge who defund education, and super fund propaganda for intellectual disarmament.

On a related note, I’ve been watching the anime “orb” and enjoying the first few episodes so far. Very topical.

when biden or obama had senate and house majority? when clinton had senate and house majority? as far as the last few decades go, there’s been lots of chances to actually get shit done, or to stop fucking up other countries.

and now when they have power to at least slow down the fascist stuff, they go “woops we accidentally didn’t stop it at all,” again, and again, and again.

could probably go back even further for dems having a lot of power, but it’s really ramped up since it became more legal to bribe democrats into kneecapping their own party on anything that matters.

it’s pretty flat across the board that every basically every movement the two party system has made has been towards the wishes of the rich over the actual people.

not seeing an “/s” here, so not entirely sure if you’re suggesting the current environment is the fault of leftists not ensuring democrats win every single election, and not the system that continues to increase oppression year after year regardless of the fact. for decades. even when democrats have all the power. things STILL move in the fascist direction.

i think what the meme is saying, is to focus less on the false ultimatum, and more on changing the system in a way that’s literally impossible within the two party system, through diverse cooperative efforts that support each other for a bottom-to-top growth in the ability to affect how the system actually works.

weirdly, every time democrats get into power, they don’t undo any of the stuff the heritage foundation and types are pushing to fully remove the power of the public over their corpo overlords.

it’s like blaming the poor for not “spending their money better” in a system ruled by monopolies, and institutional violence that puts all regulation and accountability towards the poor, and none to the rich. also “voting with your dollar” vs literal multi multi billionaires who could easily plan around your vacancy, or otherwise destroy your other avenues for meeting your needs.

maybe the issue isn’t in where you are voting, but when your choices are the fascists and the controlled opposition, who’s actions entirely support the fascists they are supposed to be fighting against.

the whole separatist narrative is being grown and pushed by these chuds. ATLAS network and their cancerous cohorts (think heritage foundation in the states) has been making this into a reality for some weeeeird reason.

almost like creating some kind of weird idea that albertans are being trapped by evil communist canada, and might need some help becoming free?

canada needs to respond to this as the threat and assault that it is.

Slop generally should be seen as negative. It lacks novelty, and relies on blending old concepts, while entirely avoiding exploration and novelty. Although people have such poor understanding of both creativity and intelligence that the dialogue that gets socialized around AI is pretty unhinged. Copyright is just a system altered so that old money oligarchs can hoard “human software” under the guise of empowering creators. This leads to things like the tumblr “you stole my style” wars. And now being a “real” artist means being an AI slop style intern for Disney types. Good art such companies make are due to the intern artists, DESPITE the corporate influence, but it’s always incentivized to be enshittified by the active corporate process.

Turing was trying to show many aspects of intelligence. Michael Levin from Tufts university is carrying on Turing’s work in morphogenesis, which is showing how concepts built in counterfactual spaces are used in a systems actively updating as they grow into new eco-niches. This lets you feel out the new space, even in abstract conceptual spaces that are detached from your sensory signals. This let’s you build abstract yet useful patterns depending on what parts of reality seem important for your type of system. Rudimentary eyes might not comprehend the sun, but it can use it as a binary gate for an internal mechanism to activate, enabling survival tools that rely on detecting day/night, even if those concepts aren’t comprehended in the heuristic. You build robustness through scale and diverse means to build perspective and weighting active Bayesian predictive systems on top of, inside, and around each other.

LLMs don’t have the active updating, so can’t grow into novel spaces, which is important.

They however are great at certain impulse probabilistic decision making, not unlike our ability to effortlessly spew coherent combinations if words, although we need another system to pay attention and halt that process when it makes mistakes, and also to direct salience. When you don’t add deeper novel patterns, but just the facade of patterns you’ve seen, you often get something that likes like generative slop, especially if you’re familiar with the deeper meaning that’s being inappropriately usurped to signal a fake competence. Like when AI mostly gets what a hand is, but easily gets confused due to a lack of robustness or ability to recognize what is actually wrong with an extra few fingers. When our own robust “checks” fail, we might start hearing voices that aren’t consistent with reality, as one mis-weighted system projects into another. Confabulation is a big part of intelligence, although its not inherently hallucinatory.

LLMs are definitely a part of human style intelligence. That’s why Geoffrey Hinton talks about how our brains “ping.” turing has an amazing understanding of intelligence, especially for his time. Intelligence is also many things, as by its very nature is a growing grab bag if heuristics to call on or balance on. As hinton suggests, the layman comprehension of intelligence is flat earth level of misrepresented.

I think if Turing were alive he’d be in love with current academic dialogues, and he’d probably be a furry.

Because the POTUS has spent the last couple weeks threatening neighboring allies after killing a bunch of Venezuelans, kidnapping maduro, and claiming all the oil.

Do you know that project 2025 group “the heritage foundation” that’s running this turdfest? Their parent group the ATLAS network is currently spreading separatist propaganda in Alberta. The part of Canada with all the oil.

It’s very topical.

Almost like you need to take different empirical observations from varied tools and perspectives to get more reliable predictions about the wider body. Enough robustness gives you confident weightings that can be used to grow more empirical evidence to build new cognitive tools. No map is the territory, so robustness and weighting need to be an active process in changing/growing areas of understanding. no new tools are possible without philosophy actively constructing along science using wider Bayesian basins than some single scientific data point. those varied but well-weighted Bayesian networks are not “just philosophy” like joe rogan giving a very shallow, non-robust, greentext level take on something that sounded mildly plausible.

From soft - - > to(o) hard.

Script theory does a good job of showing how being able to follow certain social scripts does not suggest that the person does not hold a strong delusion that is unchallenged by those scripts.

You can believe you can fly while not needing to contest that until it becomes an active choice you are forced to make. Some might back off from the belief when put to contest, because they are okay believing whatever feels good despite the dissonance they feel. Some might take action believing they can fly. Both exist comfortable in a shared social group of online “flying truthers.”

People are easily deluded, and usually those delusions cover vaguely bounded and varying social groups, where a single person and an LLM can confirm the person into a noticeable delusion that hasn’t been socialized into the surrounding social scripts.

This is also how you can get a genuinely smart person in math or something, which also holds confident deluded beliefs on some other context.

On the whole: Eco-niche specialization, misplaced confidence, and social affirmation, generally can lead to this.

Almost like there shouldn’t be a hand full of rich people who can buy everything at the expense of everything and everyone else.

Literally a “protection racket” Where protection is from their own violence.

“give us a billion dollars and bad things won’t happen”

Possible the most classic and uninspired thug tactic of all time.

Atlas network. Tied to heritage foundation, the project 2025 people. Although very Russian tactics. Ive been stating both as responsible for decades of division/anti solidarity stuff, but USA is currently much more likely to claim that Albertans obviously need to be liberated from the evil communist Canadian government, and that the oil always really belonged to the states anyway.

As someone aware of decades of legal battles to prevent the gutting of education systems, usually noticeable around local levels, you almost always end up at corpo think tanks like the heritage foundation.

If you’re familiar with the heritage foundation, they’ve been trying to run a project2025 style playbook for decades, and it is only through their success that current administration is a billionaire playground. Reminder that elon musk could directly choose for hundreds of thousands of children to die this year by taking aware their food and medicine, because he wanted to. Also billionaires got an unimaginably generous treatment at the same time, worth much more than all of the food and medicine.

It’s more an amalgam of cooperatively evil assholes, most of which have an absurd amount of money for some reason, but yeah, billionaires are a good chunk of why there are whole groups being funded to spend all day every day trying to kneecap educational efforts, or painting academics as evil satanists who are corrupting your children with science.

Id say the distinguishing difference is the function being the thing, where suffering relies on the set of distributed tools being used to measure and process suffering.

Many people excuse animal suffering by denying these parts exist, despite being basal and meadurable even in fish.

While I do think to some degree you are right, and we should be careful where we bound expected suffering, but eating a plant is much more like eating a disembodied part of an animal, or cell culture, rather than the full animal nervous experience.

At the very least, near the bottom of the triage. Its a constant energy balancing act as we progress as intelligent life. Also case by case as different eco-niches are fit. Don’t underestimate life and intelligence.

This is coming from a perspective inspired by Michael levin from tufts university, in the understanding of diverse intelligent systems.

Not just gender wars. Divide and conquer is everywhere. If everyone is ignorant and unwilling to learn or communicate, all you have to do is send some ‘representatives’ to show how stupid and antagonistic [other progressive tribe] is. I keep thinking of when suddenly being anti-circumcision, including men, meant you obviously think male genital mutilation is worse than female genital mutilation, and you hate women. I’m sure a bunch of feminists were getting harassed by neo-incel advocates at the same time.

Couldn’t talk about how weird it was, because if you were x/y tribe, you were default a nazi, and no we won’t talk about how suddenly everyone advocating for education and social progress is a nazi fighting other progressives.

Bunch of other details on how this stuff changes the environments for progressive action, and how progressives will vacate and the war takes over the space for philosophy and communication.

But race war, or whatever thing people want to think is important for their niche, all you have to do is start a couple fires and point in the other direction. You’ll have victim’s of actual violence or harassment encouraging tribal behaviour that acts out violence that hurts stray innocent people from the other group, which legitimizes upset and violence back at the broader first progressive tribe. Yadda.

People were never taught how to communicate or learn on their own. We are way too hackable as a result.

Solidarity is important.