I think the issue is fat shaming doesn’t actually make people fix their problems. I agree people are too fat generally. I just don’t think insulting them helps. It’s usually more effective to give encouragement and praise when possible.
Wow, you might have the most disgusting personality I’ve seen. That’s impressive. You better be fucking hot at least or this world probably isn’t going to be good on you.
Some of them, yes. It’s often an addiction. Rehab may be useful to break that addiction if it’s causing enough harm.
The way you say this is important though. Addiction is not the fault of the person with the addiction. It’s a disease that needs treatment. Insulting people usually makes them hide away and it increases the behavior you’re trying to treat. If you go around fat shaming people then most of the time you’re instead going to re-enforce the behavior that’s causing issues.
I see what you’re saying, and I do recognize the logic in it — for someone that wants to change. I’ve known too many addicts that are perfectly fine with taking those positive affirmations and turning right back around and doing the exact same shit they’ve always done.
I guess my question is: what separates positive affirmations from enabling when the addict has no interest in change?
You only give the positive affirmations for things they’re doing well to fix the problem. If they’ve been sober, or been exercising, or lost some weight, or whatever, you congratulate them for it. You don’t just tell them they’re doing a great job when they’re doing nothing.
The goal is to build positive connotations in their mind to doing things that are hard but they’re working on. You’re trying to make the thought of staying away from old bad habits that gave them pleasure less positive than the new things they’re working on. Their brain is going to tell them to return to the old ways. We need to overcome that and make them prefer to not.
This goes for anything. The best way to train an animal or person is positive reinforcement. Negative can work, but it’s been shown to be quite a bit less effective. Sometimes it’s the only option, but when positive is an option then it should be used instead.
tbf that’s mostly because food producers put sugar into literally anything to sell more food, because it makes people addicted. no wonder people are obese.
Fair point, but there must be some personal accountability. Yeah, processed food producers find ways to get us addicted with their delicious sugar but you don’t have to eat everything in front of you. You don’t have to clear your plate every time. You can sneak a walk in every now and then.
Little of column A, little of column B.
The world needs more fat shaming. Have you seen what we look like now a days?
I think the issue is fat shaming doesn’t actually make people fix their problems. I agree people are too fat generally. I just don’t think insulting them helps. It’s usually more effective to give encouragement and praise when possible.
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And your disgusting. Big bad internet person
Wow, you might have the most disgusting personality I’ve seen. That’s impressive. You better be fucking hot at least or this world probably isn’t going to be good on you.
How do you praise someone entirely addicted to ultra processed foods that has no interest in changing?
You praise them when they make better choices and encourage them by building rapport while always being supportive.
Pretty much how you deal with all humans.
So they need rehab — is what you’re saying.
Some of them, yes. It’s often an addiction. Rehab may be useful to break that addiction if it’s causing enough harm.
The way you say this is important though. Addiction is not the fault of the person with the addiction. It’s a disease that needs treatment. Insulting people usually makes them hide away and it increases the behavior you’re trying to treat. If you go around fat shaming people then most of the time you’re instead going to re-enforce the behavior that’s causing issues.
I see what you’re saying, and I do recognize the logic in it — for someone that wants to change. I’ve known too many addicts that are perfectly fine with taking those positive affirmations and turning right back around and doing the exact same shit they’ve always done.
I guess my question is: what separates positive affirmations from enabling when the addict has no interest in change?
You only give the positive affirmations for things they’re doing well to fix the problem. If they’ve been sober, or been exercising, or lost some weight, or whatever, you congratulate them for it. You don’t just tell them they’re doing a great job when they’re doing nothing.
The goal is to build positive connotations in their mind to doing things that are hard but they’re working on. You’re trying to make the thought of staying away from old bad habits that gave them pleasure less positive than the new things they’re working on. Their brain is going to tell them to return to the old ways. We need to overcome that and make them prefer to not.
This goes for anything. The best way to train an animal or person is positive reinforcement. Negative can work, but it’s been shown to be quite a bit less effective. Sometimes it’s the only option, but when positive is an option then it should be used instead.
So, we shouldn’t shame pedos, either? Yeah, no.
You’re a pedo or fat… fix your shit!
Conversion Therapy is ineffective in gay people, why would it be different for pedos
The UN calls conversion therapy torture
Homosexuality and pedophilia are not the same.
Both are ‘locked in’ at sexual maturity—that’s all they need to have in common for what they said to be true.
No one is saying that gay sex with an adult and child molestation are morally equivalent or anything like that.
There’s a healthy medium. With the shame that is. We’re probably not far off of it now.
The pendulum swung from too far one way to too far the other, we’re correcting now, I feel.
tbf that’s mostly because food producers put sugar into literally anything to sell more food, because it makes people addicted. no wonder people are obese.
Fair point, but there must be some personal accountability. Yeah, processed food producers find ways to get us addicted with their delicious sugar but you don’t have to eat everything in front of you. You don’t have to clear your plate every time. You can sneak a walk in every now and then.
Little of column A, little of column B.